Does honey expand?

[Garry R]

I realise that, and do similar.
I was wondering if feeding a substantial amount of fermenting honey is problematic - if not it would be a method to recycle it.

I recall that advice was not to let liquid feed ferment as it can lead to dysentry so imagine a large amount of fermented honey might lead to the same. Heating honey to 80C as someone else asked would increase HMF in the honey.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Heating honey to 80C as someone else asked would increase HMF in the honey.

Yes but it gets rid of the alcohol and you can sell it as Bakers Honey. Doesn't @ericbeaumont get good money for his?

 

[Sutty]

Yes but it gets rid of the alcohol and you can sell it as Bakers Honey. Doesn't @ericbeaumont get good money for his?

It's a fallacy that heating it like that, or in cooking "drives off the alcohol".
Even during distillation with a boiling solution of alcohol in water the resultant vapour only has a moderately raised proportion of alcohol vapour rather than water vapour compared to the solution.
It does however kill the yeasts and so halt fermentation.

 

[jarmo henttu]

Yes but it gets rid of the alcohol and you can sell it as Bakers Honey. Doesn't @ericbeaumont get good money for his?

You only put a label " Fermented Honey".

 

[Erichalfbee]

It's a fallacy that heating it like that, or in cooking "drives off the alcohol".
Even during distillation with a boiling solution of alcohol in water the resultant vapour only has a moderately raised proportion of alcohol vapour rather than water vapour compared to the solution.
It does however kill the yeasts and so halt fermentation.

Ah....I didn't know that so Finman's suggestion is the best.

 

[ericbeaumont]

Yes but it gets rid of the alcohol and you can sell it as Bakers Honey. Doesn't @ericbeaumont get good money for his?

Yes, 22/kg, but not the runny stinking foulness found in an old bucket.

Anything over 19% is liable to ferment, and although the law states that 20% is the boundary (23% for ling heather) I don't want a customer returning after a couple of months and complaining; happened a few years ago, and no big deal, but not ideal.

To that 19+ I add the scrapings of buckets left over from recent bottling, stir and leave to bubble. Sometimes it does so minimally, but it doesn't matter, as I get asked for it at every market, and buyers use it normally, not for cooking.

The principle asset of this borderline Bakers' is the extra flavour, which is why it always sells out.

 

[Erichalfbee]

never seen that happen, unless the honey has fermented

Spam. Removed him

 

[jarmo henttu]

Yes, 22/kg, but not the runny stinking foulness found in an old bucket.

Anything over 19% is liable to ferment, and although the law states that 20% is the boundary (23% for ling heather) I don't want a customer returning after a couple of months and complaining; happened a few years ago, and no big deal, but not ideal.

To that 19+ I add the scrapings of buckets left over from recent bottling, stir and leave to bubble. Sometimes it does so minimally, but it doesn't matter, as I get asked for it at every market, and buyers use it normally, not for cooking.

The principle asset of this borderline Bakers' is the extra flavour, which is why it always sells out.

fermented honey is awfull. If you sell such stuff, the customer surely go to police station.

Sells out. I have never seen someone selling fermented honey.

 

[ericbeaumont]

have never seen someone selling fermented honey

Come to London, Finman, and watch the eighth wonder of the world!

 

[Cuckmere couple]

OP reminded me of the 'is hell exothermic or endothermic' exam answer from some years ago....v funny

 

[Cuckmere couple]

a lot of people prefer it.

i have had exactly the same....people saying they prefer it because it shows it hasnt been pasteurised/heat treated

 

[jarmo henttu]

Come to London, Finman, and watch the eighth wonder of the world!

Not for that

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Not for that

or for anything else for that matter

 

[pargyle]

Come to London, Finman, and watch the eighth wonder of the world!

Not just London - the world - perhaps Finland is a new export market for fermented honey ?

https://www.reallyrawhoney.com/product-category/fermented-raw-honey/

 

[jarmo henttu]

Not just London - the world - perhaps Finland is a new export market for fermented honey ?

https://www.reallyrawhoney.com/product-category/fermented-raw-honey/

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps

 

[jeff33]

Yes it does! That's a batch of soft set gone wrong.

 

[jarmo henttu]

Yes it does! That's a batch of soft set gone wrong.

View attachment 39640

MOisture too much.

 

[ericbeaumont]

soft set gone wrong

Sell it, Jeff! Sell it!

 

[jeff33]

Sell it, Jeff! Sell it!

That's a customer who sent me that photo. It was a batch from last summer! Seen as nobody else complained, I can only assume they ate theirs quicker

 

[Sutty]

That's a customer who sent me that photo. It was a batch from last summer! Seen as nobody else complained, I can only assume they ate theirs quicker

Do you recall whether you measured water content?