Thymallus
Drone Bee
Oxalic sublimation and thymol pads.
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Oxalic sublimation and thymol pads.
Though Oxalic winter treatment told essential before
in conjunction with Autumn MAQS
Maybe the Oxallic is not suitable ?
Another quote for you
https://ealingbees.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/bee-inspector-advice-on-usage-of-oxalic-acid-and-maqs/
Ealing member Brian Mitchison recently received advice from National Bee Unit Regional Bee Inspector Julian Parker on the use of OXALIC ACID if you’ve used MAQs strips.
“It is unwise for beekeepers to use oxalic acid treatments if they have already treated the same (winter) bees with formic acid (MAQS – Mite Away Quick Strips) as this would effectively be a double dose of organic acid. It matters little that one is formic and the other oxalic – the method of action is the same and a second application of either applied to the same winter bees risks high adult bee mortality through a double dose of organic acid burning the bees. The bees can only tolerate so much acid treatment before it burns them lethally, much like the mites. Queen loss would also be a concern.
Any treatments applied to a colony should be recorded on a veterinary medicines record card as bees are considered to be food-producing livestock.”
Julian Parker
Regional Bee Inspector, South Eastern England, National Bee Unit
Aaah, so Julian hasn't encountered the 5-day repeat Oxalic vaporising treatment that Hivemaker recommends ...
Would you eat lamb, beef, chicken, goat etc, or buy eggs, from a farmer who used unapproved treatments, didn't write it in the record book in case somebody found out - and got caught?/// And PS - be sure to ONLY record treatment with "veterinary medicines" on your medication record ... it wouldn't make sense to record things that weren't treatments with (approved) veterinary medicines, now would it?
Another quote for you
https://ealingbees.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/bee-inspector-advice-on-usage-of-oxalic-acid-and-maqs/
Ealing member Brian Mitchison recently received advice from National Bee Unit Regional Bee Inspector Julian Parker on the use of OXALIC ACID if you’ve used MAQs strips.
“It is unwise for beekeepers to use oxalic acid treatments if they have already treated the same (winter) bees with formic acid (MAQS – Mite Away Quick Strips) as this would effectively be a double dose of organic acid. It matters little that one is formic and the other oxalic – the method of action is the same and a second application of either applied to the same winter bees risks high adult bee mortality through a double dose of organic acid burning the bees. The bees can only tolerate so much acid treatment before it burns them lethally, much like the mites. Queen loss would also be a concern.
Any treatments applied to a colony should be recorded on a veterinary medicines record card as bees are considered to be food-producing livestock.”
Julian Parker
Regional Bee Inspector, South Eastern England, National Bee Unit
Is that a personal opinion or based on actual research? Is the action/effect of organic acid at different concentration part of the training or prerequisites of being a bee inspector? I've heard an ex bee inspector declare he wouldn't even go near oxalic sublimation. Opinions change.
He's become the new RBI for the whole of the South East, but based on the other side of London to me. Haven't met the bloke yet.Maybe he hasn't. He's RBI for your area - have you asked his opinion?
Would you eat lamb, beef, chicken, goat etc, or buy eggs, from a farmer who used unapproved treatments, didn't write it in the record book in case somebody found out - and got caught?
Honey Bees are food-producing animals. Beekeepers who harvest honey are covered by the same regulations as any other person whose livestock produces food.
I think that recording strategy is about right. I'd include Hiveclean treatments or any of the other "patent" products based on thymol or oxalic on a non-VMD hive record along with oxalic and off-the-hive treatments of comb like acetic or Certan.My own personal compromise is to record the use of Oxalic - BUT NOT in the official medicines record --- because it shouldn't be in there.
I'm not referring to any other products or materials - really just Oxalic Acid. (Formic is covered below, and Lactic is almost unheard-of in the UK.)
Oxalic Acid is a special, a unique, case.
It has no equivalent that I know of in other agricultural or food practices.
It would be a travesty to suggest that I was advocating a similar approach to all other substances.
However, the Oxalic situation is potentially likely to change.
MAQS has gone through approval as a means of using Formic. It belongs in the Veterinary Medicines Record. Personally, I think you'd have to be both miserly and foolishly brave to choose to use Formic differently - in one of those Nassenheider evaporators.
At the BBKA ADM, Delegates heard from the President that the Home Office believes Oxalic might be used for nefarious purposes (I'm sceptical myself) and wants to ban it from open sale. This becomes more possible with the official Approval of an Oxalic product for trickling. So, should enforcement ever start, how good is it likely to be that you have records that you must produce on demand (going back at least 5 years) showing repeated administration of unauthorised products to your bees?
Veterinary Medicines go in the Veterinary Medicines Record.
Anything else is part of the hive/colony records.
at the BBKA ADM, Delegates heard from the President that the Home Office believes Oxalic might be used for nefarious purposes [/B]
As to the "oxalic might be used for nefarious purposes", well probably less useful than many other still freely available chemicals like acids and hairdressing products as used by the 7/7 bombers.
... As to the "oxalic might be used for nefarious purposes", well probably less useful than many other still freely available chemicals like acids and hairdressing products as used by the 7/7 bombers. By volume, the far larger portion is sold for bleaching on boats and woodwork.
My point was that the BBKA President believed that Oxalic was under suspicion by the Home Office, and if were ever to become 'controlled', this (combined with theoretical availability of a proprietary approved product) would require the Bee Inspectorate, etc, to look differently on 'homebrew' Oxalic products - and likely make Oxalic vaporising akin to hydroponic cultivation.
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